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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Perth Airport/CommentsTalk:Perth Airport/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Article is now really worthy of a B-class rating after significant improvements to historical information. Thewinchester (talk) 03:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 03:37, 9 June 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 02:40, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

@RPC7778 and Betterkeks: I disagree with the bold formatting in the table in Perth Airport#Passenger, specifically because the words in question:

• are not headings or pseudo-headings
• ought not be semantically emphasised "to denote importance, seriousness, or urgency". "The 'strong' markup is generally not appropriate in article text"

Relevant edits: [1][2][3]

I propose that the formatting should simply be removed, as it is not MOS-compliant. Is there some reason it should be there? Is there a better solution - perhaps separate columns for Season, Charter? Mitch Ames (talk) 11:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Mitch Ames: I would have picked {{em}}, but I didn’t write it and {{strong}} is fine when it’s important which to me is the case here, so it’s in line with MOS. Another column is just a bad idea IMO. Maybe an icon? Betterkeks (talk) 13:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It will look bad if there are separate column/s for the seasonal and charter ones. Also, I bolded the charter and seasonal labels because it appeared almost blended with regular services and I have to do a double-check to them in the table. Other users might also need to double-check the table to find the seasonal and charter ones. RPC7778 (talk) 18:23, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RPC7778 and Mitch Ames: This is a much larger discussion than just Perth airport; see Heathrow Airport and Frankfurt Airport. The whole table should probably be a template, so that (1) all airports are formatted the same and (2) all airports are changed at the same time if a better way to format this information emerges. To me (1) the information in that table is too dense and needs more "structure" and whitespace, and (2) the classification of Charter, seasonal, etc is important and mustn’t drown in these endless lists of destinations, and until a better way is found {{strong}} seems to be the consensus. Betterkeks (talk) 00:45, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tbh, the outcome of both {{strong}} markup and text with triple apostrophes looks to be the same, so I don't have any problems with it switching from triple apostrophes to {{strong}}. RPC7778 (talk) 02:11, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RPC7778: Nice. For the sake of completeness, there are subtle but important differences. I changed it to {{strong}} because it is made to mark important words or phrases in a text, in a way that is (unlike simply boldfacing it) semantically meaningful markup. With this technique, the important text strongly stands out from the rest in most if not all visual browsers and some text-to-speech screen readers (which usually ignore purely typographic boldfacing), and can also be parsed by user agents and other software as definitively indicating importance, not just some typographic boldface effect for appearance's sake. Betterkeks (talk) 02:36, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a much larger discussion than just Perth airport — Agreed. I've mentioned this discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Formatting_of_Airlines/Destinations_table, and would not be averse to the entire conversation being moved to that project talk page (or a similar central location). Mitch Ames (talk) 07:09, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I still assert that {{strong}}, {{em}} or ''' are incorrect for text that is inline in the paragraph - in that context (inline text) those words are not "important, urgent, serious, emphasised" etc. If we want them to appear in bold so that we can find them easily, then perhaps those words should actually be pseudo-headings, rather than inline text (per Betterkeks: table is too dense and needs more "structure" and whitespace). In which case, instead of:

Airlines	Destinations
Alliance Airlines	Kalgoorlie, Newman, Port Hedland Charter: Barimunya, Cape Preston, Christmas Creek, Christmas Island, Coondewanna, Karratha, Leinster, Leonora, Mount Keith, Paraburdoo, Telfer, The Granites

we should have (using ''' and normal paragraph spacing):

Airlines	Destinations
Alliance Airlines	Kalgoorlie, Newman, Port Hedland Charter Barimunya, Cape Preston, Christmas Creek, Christmas Island, Coondewanna, Karratha, Leinster, Leonora, Mount Keith, Paraburdoo, Telfer, The Granites

or to reduce vertical space, <br/> after "Charter":

Airlines	Destinations
Alliance Airlines	Kalgoorlie, Newman, Port Hedland Charter Barimunya, Cape Preston, Christmas Creek, Christmas Island, Coondewanna, Karratha, Leinster, Leonora, Mount Keith, Paraburdoo, Telfer, The Granites

A more radical approach - just remove the words "Seasonal", "Charter" etc. In the context of an article about an airport, is it really import to distinguish when they fly? That degree of detail to me appears contrary to the spirit of WP:NOTDIRECTORY.

Mitch Ames (talk) 11:38, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

While not a member, I would like to add a few points.

The use of boldface is really out of place here. Why not just add another column to the table and use that to denote seasonal etc?

It could be done with a single.double letter abreviation, or with colour if an extra columnn is felt to be an issue.

MOS:BOLDFACE and MOS:NOBOLD clearly are against this usage, and for me, an extra column seems both logical and more reader-friendly Chaosdruid (talk) 12:54, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see nowhere in WP:BOLDFACE that it is not allowed. Because it is common use at airport articles to highlight the words "Seasonal" to make it clear which connections are year round and which was are seasonal. It improves readability. To reduce readability by replacing boldface by an extra column is i8n my opinion nat in the best interest of the article. The Banner talk 13:07, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It does not improve readability.

It also interferes with various systems used for people with impaired vision that rely on reading rather than viewing.

It cleearly says it here:

"When not to use boldface

Avoid using boldface for emphasis in article text. Instead, use HTML's <em>...</em> element or the {{em|...}} template (which usually render as italic)."

Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are serious willing to sacrifice readability to enforce a mere guideline, in fact just an advice? Ever heard of WP:IAR? The Banner talk 13:44, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And did you notice that we are talking about the use in a table and not in plain text? The Banner talk 13:56, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not argue here, and please do not repeat things from your talk page here and make me reply in the two places.

I have already answered both these points on your talk page. Chaosdruid (talk) 17:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I understand that you want to keep the discussion out of the limelight. After all, it is your personal preference, not guideline based. The Banner talk 19:01, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for admitting that it is just a personal opinion and not guideline (not even a policy) based. But what it add is clarity between the year round flights and the seasonal flight, without have to read the whole list. A quick scan for boldface text is enough. It is not some much a problem with airlines that have only a few flights of one airport, but it is problematic at airlines that have ten or more flights for one airport. Then you have to read the entire list to finally find where the seasonals begin. The Banner talk 18:54, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are getting ridiculous now. I "admitted" no such thing.
EVERY entry on that list has a "seasonal" in bold face, thus totally negating your argument, as no clarity is added when ALL of them are boldfaced.
Why does it matter if someone is looking for the "seasonal" ones? THe average reader will not be looking for that.
More improtantly, it would look better, be more readable, and make ore sense if there was an extra column which had that detail
Once again, it is against MOS, which is not some "pointless set of rules". Go get THEM changed if you really want to start doing whatever you want without consequence. Chaosdruid (talk) 12:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing that you need personal attacks in your edits, I guess you are out of arguments. The Banner talk 12:43, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear. WP:AGF has been constantly ignored throughout our discussions. I have made no such personal attack.

On the contrary, suggesting I said things that were not said could very easily be seen as a personal attack Chaosdruid (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did not use personal attacks in the edit summery. You did. The Banner talk 16:32, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• The bolding of Seasonal or Charter does not improve readability. All it does is draw the eye in, giving the reader the impression that seasonal and charter flights are more important to the airport than regular flights. They ain't. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 04:05, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Qatar Airways Cargo appear on the list of airlines and destinations? According the their website they only fly passenger to Perth not Cargo. 159.196.132.9 (talk) 12:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikeyy2000 please stop adding unsourced routes and unreliable sources (specifically Aeroroutes, per WP:AEROROUTES). Content on Wikipedia must be sourced to reliable sources. I've also left links on your talk page for how to format citations correctly, as the format you're using right now completely breaks them. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 09:56, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the mistakes, I will work on editing and read the guidelines to educate myself. I want to help build up the Perth Airport airlines and destinations section as someone has removed a whole lot. Can that reversed as to what it was before? Mikeyy2000 (talk) 10:01, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

It was myself that removed them, because they were unsourced. By all means, yes please do restore the routes - however only when a reliable source is found for them. What you were doing was restoring them without adding any sources for the majority (I only saw a total of five sources you added). It may be better to restore them one at a time as sources are found.

As to adding sources, I would recommend having a read of WP:Referencing for beginners which is a very helpful guide to adding sources. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 10:14, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you again for the advice. I will work on the changes before I publish them. Mikeyy2000 (talk) 10:55, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]

@Mikeyy2000 while the sources you added are reliable, it’s clear you haven’t read WP:Referencing for beginners as the citations are still completely broken. Please follow the advice in that guide. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 11:59, 25 May 2026 (UTC)[reply]