Q1: Why does the article refer to the Titanic as "she/her" rather than "it/its"?
A1: Per WP:SHE4SHIPS, the vessel is referred to with feminine pronouns. This is not to be changed without consensus. For discussion of Wikipedia's internal inconsistency and divergence with Encyclopedia Britannica's usage on this point, see Huddleston, Pullum, & Reynolds (2022), A Student's Introduction to English Grammar, 2nd ed., Cambridge: CUP, p. 14-16.
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This is a silly talk to be honest.. however, I think it should say "The Titanic is a ship blah blah that sank in 1912 etc etc" the ship still exists but just on the ocean floor. Olympic for example does not exist anymore due to her being scrapped. 2A00:23C6:F1A:D001:E5E:C5A3:2CA3:F12E (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction between "was" and "is" is defined by the distinction between "ship" and "wreck." The wreck is on the bottom of the ocean. The wreck of the Titanic was a ship until it sank. Otherwise, every ship that ever sank would be described in the present tense. Acroterion(talk)23:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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2600:1015:B222:64E:644A:E5FF:FEEC:54F3 (talk) 00:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)I want to edit it so it is easier to understand. I know people have changed the real information to fake information. I want to put in the real information for users that need the truth of the Titanic. Say a kid had a school project on the Titanic. They need real information or they will fail the class their in. I want to make sure they pass their project. Please accept my request so I can put real information.[reply]
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RMS Titanic was a British Olympic-class ocean liner operated by the White Star Line. At the time of her completion in 1912, she was the largest ship afloat, measuring approximately 882 feet (269 meters) in length and 92 feet (28 meters) in breadth. Titanic was built in Belfast, Ireland, with construction beginning on 31 March 1909 and completed on 2 April 1912. She was designed to provide luxury accommodations for passengers and to compete with other transatlantic liners. Titanic embarked on her maiden voyage from Southampton, England, to New York City on 10 April 1912.
At Cherbourg, France, a passenger named Margaret Brown boarded Titanic. She would later become known in history as “The Unsinkable Molly Brown” for her efforts to help other survivors during the ship’s sinking. Margaret Brown was an American socialite and philanthropist, and her actions during the disaster brought her lasting recognition.
Some factors contributed to the sinking of RMS Titanic. On board, a fire had been burning in a coal bunker on the starboard side for several days before the voyage, which may have weakened the steel plates in that area. Additionally, the ship struck an iceberg in the North Atlantic on the night of 14 April 1912, causing extensive damage to her hull. Some studies suggest that refraction of light on the water and poor visibility contributed to the collision by making it difficult for lookouts to spot the iceberg in time. The combination of these factors ultimately led to the flooding of multiple compartments and the ship’s sinking in the early hours of 15 April 1912. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mquay2 (talk • contribs)
I was unable to add to the ‘Death/Survivor Count is outdated’ topic, so have had to start a new one. I just wanted to say that according to the BBC series ‘Titanic Sinks Tonight’ the number of passengers and crew on board the ship was 2208, not 2224 as stated in the article. This agrees with the number given in the original post (which does not appear to have an author) of 1,496 deaths,712 survivors, and 2,208 total passengers. The BBC series is based on recently discovered archives and records, and accounts from survivors and has been examined by experts. If these numbers are accepted to be the most recently verified, why has the article not been corrected? SaintIX (talk) 07:35, 10 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Ok, I did a little digging, and the 2,224 number appears to be the product of a double-counting mathematical error. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration source cited for the "estimated 2,224" number in the opening paragraph disagrees with the figure stating "2,240 passengers and crew on board." The only other instance of the number 2,224 in the article is in the table, whose source is the British Board of Trade report, which was published in the book The loss of the Titanic, 1912, on pages 110-111. The table on the Wikipedia article also lists 710 survivors. The given source claims 2,201 total passengers and crew, and 711 survivors, both of which disagree with the Wikipedia article's numbers.
In the British Board of Trade source, there are 212 survivors out of 885 total crew. Out of the total crew, there are 20 female survivors out of 23 total female crew. The Wikipedia article condenses male and female children into one category, unlike the source. As listed in the Wikipedia article, the female crew numbers agree with the source: 20 survivors, 23 on board. As for the male crew, the article lists 192 male crew survivors (212 male survivors - 20 female survivors) and 885 male crew total. However, the 885 crew number is for the total male and female crew, so the article double-counts the 23 female crew members as both male and female crew, hence arriving at a total passenger and crew count 23 higher than the source (2,201 + 23 = 2,224).
The 710 number in the article also disagrees with the source. The source lists 5 1st class male children, and 1 1st class female child, all of whom survived. You would then expect the Wikipedia article's table to say 6 (5 + 1) 1st class children on board, 6 1st class children survivors. However, the article instead says 6 1st class children on board, 5 1st class children survivors. This is no doubt in reference to Helen Loraine Allison, a two year old 1st class passenger who died in the Titanic disaster. However, this, of course, still disagrees with the source and isn't cited, so I believe it constitutes original research.
I believe the source, which is from 1912, should not be used for citing survivor numbers due to the discrepancies, such as stating all 1st class children survived, when this claim is known to be false, and given the existence of more modern research. If the source is to continue to be used, it should reflect the numbers within, not with the original research and incorrectly conducted math. It is worth noting that these two dubious numbers have been used on the Titanic in Popular Culture article, potentially other Wikipedia articles, and many other publications over the last ~15 years, including the New York Times, as these two numbers have existed on this article since June 17, 2011, and August 23, 2011, respectively.
Proposed Change: Please update the "Survivors and Victims" table by changing the total male crew from 885 to 862 to fix a double-counting error, and the number of 1st class children saved from 5 to 6, and 1st class children lost from 1 to 0 to match the source. This changes the total number of people aboard from 2,224 to 2,201, and the number of survivors from 710 to 711, matching the source. Alternatively, update the table to match the more modern "Gowan numbers" of 2,208 aboard, and 712 survivors instead of the source from 1912.
Summary: This request fixes a nearly 15-year-old mathematical error where 23 female crew members were double-counted. It also reverts 15 year old Original Research regarding the Allison Family that contradicts the 1912 source. It gives the alternative of using a more modern source, such as the Gowan numbers.
Not done: according to the page's protection level, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. However, parts of this request read like they are AI-generated; please do not use AI to edit or make talk page posts. Day Creature (talk) 04:16, 13 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I did not know I could edit the page myself, thank you for letting me know. I am fairly new to Wikipedia, and wanted to know if my research was accurate, instead of just editing it to what I thought was correct and hoping for the best. My request was entirely written by hand without the use of generative AI, perhaps I was being overly formal? I don't know what makes you believe it is AI generated, but I am a human. Jbrill05 (talk) 17:07, 13 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
In the testimonies of stoker Frederick Barrett and greaser Frederick Scott, who would've been closest to the initial break, they both mention that the boiler rooms had different coloured lights to determine which state the engines should be in. A red light meant engines should stop, and both men testified seeing a red light come on in the boiler room before or at the collision. I had previously proposed adding this article as a source for the sinking section (https://medium.com/@lukemilnerluke0/titanic-the-collision-40ed648e10a7) which cites both men's testimonies from the inquiry transcripts, and makes a convincing case for a stoppage with the science and the logic presented. Especially the author explains the case for shutting the dampers as Barrett said, to limit the amount of oxygen going into the boiler fires and to cut off the production of steam. The system noted the website Medium is a blog-host website that may not offer reliable sources. I am wondering if I should go ahead and add the source anyway. Pohewatanga (talk) 09:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to call attention to this edit which changes the line "Built in Belfast, Ireland, in what was then the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" to "Built in Belfast, Ireland,United Kingdom". The edit summary claims that the previous version overburdens the article with unrelated issues, but it seems to me that there was no overburdening going on here: today, Ireland and the United Kingdom are two different sovereign states, so it's confusing to see Ireland described as being part of the United Kingdom with no obvious clarification. In my opinion, the original phrasing was clearer and more accurate -- and with all due respect to the editor who made this change, I am speaking as a native of Belfast when I say that the current phrasing is far more likely to overburden the article with politics, as it may attract edits from people who are annoyed by its perceived inaccuracy and bias. ~2026-23303-72 (talk) 15:10, 15 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
In retrospect, trying to assert authority by pointing out I'm from Belfast was a weak argument, especially given that I'm new to Wikipedia and ignorant of best practices and previous discussions. So instead, I've taken a look through this talk page's archives and found many examples of disagreement over how to phrase this sentence: May 2006, May 2008, May 2009, Sept-Oct 2009, Dec 2011, April 2012, Jan 2020. The most recent discussion seems to come down in favour of "Built in Belfast, Ireland", with the caveat that it should be made clear this is referring to an historical version of Ireland. In which case, "Built in Belfast, Ireland, in what was then the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland" is the ideal phrasing. ~2026-23691-23 (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I think Belfast, Ireland is just fine on its own. This article is not here to explain that Ireland was part of the UK in 1912, or where Belfast is or anything like that. Everywhere has changed country/name etc over the course of its history. As a general rule constituent country of the UK has always been acceptable, be it England, Scotland etc. without the need for a UK after. Leave all those details for other articles, it's not the responsibility of this article to explain or expand on that in any way. It can't be Northern Ireland as it didn't exist, I think we're all agreed, so Belfast, Ireland is what we're left with. No need to explain it's some historical version (and MOS:GEOLINK means only Belfast should be linked anyway), we're not here for a history lesson on what country Belfast was located in at the time it's not in any way relevant to this articles subject. Canterbury Tailtalk18:56, 17 April 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Acroterion (talk) 00:47, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
Not done: according to the page's protection level, you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. However, parts of this request read like they are AI-generated; please do not use AI to edit or make talk page posts. Day Creature (talk) 04:16, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
