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Q1: Why does the article describe Reform as "right-wing to far-right"?
A1: A six-week discussion was held in January 2026 to assess how reliable sources tended to describe the Reform Party. It concluded that there were "ample grounds to include the term "far-right" in the lead and infobox alongside existing terminology". |
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Shouldn't the opener say "right-wing populist TO far-right",not "right-wing populist AND far-right"? That's how parties like Restore are described. AxioChrono (talk) 13:55, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
Not done: Since "right-wing populist" is a specific ideology and not just a position on the left/right political spectrum, I think the use of "and" is more appropriate and grammatically correct here. Conversely, Restore Britain is described as "right-wing to far right" (without the "populist" qualifier). Day Creature (talk) 17:12, 27 May 2026 (UTC)
Footnote in the lead
@Helper201: keeps removing the footnote I added to the lead which clarified that Reform UK is classified as part of the Radical right (Europe) within the far right. [1] [2]. All of the justifications as far as I can tell used by Helper201 for the removal are completely false. There is no evidence for the claim that The vast majority of sources regarding [classifying Reform UK as] far-right say simply that [and not radical right]
" and the "radical right" descriptor is used by many sources in the body and in academic literature, contrary to Helper201's claim that This descriptor [of radical right] is used by a single source
. The claim that the page for radical right doesn't even say it’s a "moderate subset of the far right
is also misleading, the Wikipedia article calls Reform UK successively radical right and one of the moderate European far right parties. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:44, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- What purpose does the footnote serve? The lede is a summary of the body. Reform UK is a far-right party. If an editor wishes to add that they are a "moderate far-right" party, then there's a whole section dedicated to that: Reform UK#Ideology and platform. I'm opposed to the footnote, but I support adding the information from the footnote to the section I linked above. TurboSuperA+[talk] 05:33, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- From what I see, you are correct in everything you have stated. o keep neutrality an explanation of the umbrella term is required. Halbared (talk) 08:53, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- Why though, for neutrality sake? For neo-Nazi parties we don't use notes saying "Not 1940s Nazis that killed 6 million Jews, but post-war Nazism, which is a different from them". We just put neo-Nazi and leave it at that; for those who want to know more, as TurboSuperA+ says, can read more. CNCin solidarity (talk) 09:15, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- As a supporter of the "radical right" label, I thought that putting it at least in a footnote was a good first step towards a better accuracy of the description. --Friniate ✉ 12:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- I don't disagree with the logic, only per MOS:OPEN, we should do so
without being too specific
. There is enough content in this article and at Far-right politics in the United Kingdom (which is linked) to elaborate on this. If the issue is it should say radical right rather than far-right, then to me that's a separate discussion. CNCin solidarity (talk) 15:41, 28 May 2026 (UTC)- Yeah, you've a point. Simply, since these are all IMHO temporary solutions, I viewed the note as the less evil. --Friniate ✉ 16:44, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- I don't disagree with the logic, only per MOS:OPEN, we should do so
- Because the "far right" is a broad umbrella term that includes both pro-democracy political parties and violent extremists? I am happy to remove "moderate subset of the far right", but I support having a footnote clarifying they are radical right somewhere in the lead. Hemiauchenia (talk) 15:30, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- Neo-Nazism is also pretty broad encompassing both partial and full idealisation of Nazism (pretty vague that), as well as including both pro-state and anti-state ideals. That sub-categorisation is not so dissimilar from far-right encompassing both pro-democracy and anti-democracy imo. But I digress. I'm not opposed to a simple note "as part of the radical right", I thought this was what it initially said to be honest, but became expanded maybe? I guess that was the issue if so, by starting off as a simple note that and turned into more of an unnecessary elaboration. Ideally the MOS:FIRST would instead just say
Reform UK is a right-wing populist and far-right political party in the United Kingdom, as part of the European radical right.
Or something to that effect with no note needed and due context included. CNCin solidarity (talk) 15:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC) - I have several concerns with and comments for that:
- 1) We had an RFC and community's consensus was assessed to be for including the label in the lede. The opponents of the proposal spent their time trying to discredit academics and questioning reliability of sources (spawning two RSN threads). Nobody suggested a footnote. I am concerned that footnotes are going to become a way to bypass consensus.
- 2)
"Moderate subset of the far-right"
Do we have RS to support that? We also have many academics calling them "radical right". Radical doesn't sound very moderate to me. If we go with a footnote, then we have to decide what the footnote should say, and judging by the sources, it should be "radical right". - 3) In MOS:NOTES the first reason to use a footnote:
Explanatory footnotes that give information which is too detailed or awkward to be in the body of the article
. This information is not too detailed or awkward to be in the body, because there is already a section in the body that deals with their politics and what they are exactly, Reform UK#Ideology and platform. - 4) We arrived at a consensus after a painstaking analysis of (nearly) every available source out there, it was quite extensive: Talk:Reform UK/Archive 6#Source review tables. One cannopt simply ignore the sources and just describe Reform UK as "moderate far-right" based on... what exactly? And speaking of sources, the New York Times just published an article 2 hours ago calling Reform UK "far-right".[3] TurboSuperA+[talk] 15:58, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- It is not even cited on the Radical right (Europe) that it is a "moderate subsection of the far-right", as was claimed in the note. Plus, the claim was supported by a single source, making it WP:UNDUE. Helper201 (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's (although implicitly) said in the sentence Since the 2020s, scholars have described radical right as belonging to a subset of far-right politics, distinguished from the extreme right. But I agree, that article needs to be rewritten distinguishing better between different concepts that right now are confusingly intermingled. --Friniate ✉ 12:38, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's pretty clear over at Far-right politics in the United Kingdom#Terminology, European radical right is pretty broad, UK far-right politics is the narrower scope here. CNCin solidarity (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- But, per WP:RSPWP, Wikipedia isn't considered to be a reliable source, and, per WP:OTHERCONTENT, what other articles say is irrelevant here. As we cannot rely on other articles, we need everything in this article to be stand-alone, and comply with WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:OR. -- DeFacto (talk). 08:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
- I wasn't proposing an edit to mainspace, I was providing information. CNCin solidarity (talk) 11:40, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
- But, per WP:RSPWP, Wikipedia isn't considered to be a reliable source, and, per WP:OTHERCONTENT, what other articles say is irrelevant here. As we cannot rely on other articles, we need everything in this article to be stand-alone, and comply with WP:NPOV, WP:V, WP:RS and WP:OR. -- DeFacto (talk). 08:49, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's pretty clear over at Far-right politics in the United Kingdom#Terminology, European radical right is pretty broad, UK far-right politics is the narrower scope here. CNCin solidarity (talk) 19:47, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- It's (although implicitly) said in the sentence Since the 2020s, scholars have described radical right as belonging to a subset of far-right politics, distinguished from the extreme right. But I agree, that article needs to be rewritten distinguishing better between different concepts that right now are confusingly intermingled. --Friniate ✉ 12:38, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- It is not even cited on the Radical right (Europe) that it is a "moderate subsection of the far-right", as was claimed in the note. Plus, the claim was supported by a single source, making it WP:UNDUE. Helper201 (talk) 00:19, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- Neo-Nazism is also pretty broad encompassing both partial and full idealisation of Nazism (pretty vague that), as well as including both pro-state and anti-state ideals. That sub-categorisation is not so dissimilar from far-right encompassing both pro-democracy and anti-democracy imo. But I digress. I'm not opposed to a simple note "as part of the radical right", I thought this was what it initially said to be honest, but became expanded maybe? I guess that was the issue if so, by starting off as a simple note that and turned into more of an unnecessary elaboration. Ideally the MOS:FIRST would instead just say
- As a supporter of the "radical right" label, I thought that putting it at least in a footnote was a good first step towards a better accuracy of the description. --Friniate ✉ 12:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- Why though, for neutrality sake? For neo-Nazi parties we don't use notes saying "Not 1940s Nazis that killed 6 million Jews, but post-war Nazism, which is a different from them". We just put neo-Nazi and leave it at that; for those who want to know more, as TurboSuperA+ says, can read more. CNCin solidarity (talk) 09:15, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
Neutrality of this article should be disputed
Since last month this article has become very unneutral ~2026-31739-17 (talk) 06:19, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-31739-17, can you be more specific please? -- DeFacto (talk). 08:50, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
"Reform"
The usage of Reform is under discussion, see Talk:Reform (disambiguation)#Requested move 28 May 2026. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:34, 28 May 2026 (UTC)
Biased introduction
Sounds more like a left-wing smear attempt by using terminologies such as "far-right" and "right-wing populists". Are the Greens being labelled "left-wing populist" and "far-left"? ~2026-31909-57 (talk) 03:10, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
- @~2026-31909-57, per WP:OTHERCONTENT, what happens in other articles is irrelevant here, but the article introduction here should summarise the article body. Do you think it does that adequately and that the article body is also biased, or do you think it's just the intro that's the problem and the body is okay? -- DeFacto (talk). 08:58, 30 May 2026 (UTC)
The term "neoliberal populist" is unclear and unnecessary
At the start of the "ideology" section, various terms are applied to Reform UK with "neoliberal populist" being one of these. The source cited doesn't directly refer to Reform by this term, in fact it calls it "the Brexit Party" and cites its own source referring to "neoliberal populists" which itself does not mention Reform. What is the actual justification behind using the term? Jam006 (talk) 12:32, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
- If anything this is probably a bit outdated now given it's referring to the Brexit Party. Technically they're the same party, but they're obviously a bit different now compared to back then. — Czello (music) 12:36, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
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Change "right wing to far right" to "right wing" under ideology ~2026-33036-02 (talk) 21:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before posting an edit request. Discussed ad nauseam already on this talk page. Only reopen your request if, and only after, the consensus changes. Happy editing, Slomo666 (talk) 21:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
Reform
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this article is erroneous/inaccurate and misleading. Reform UK is not "far right" as described it is just a patriotic right wing party like the Conservatives used to be. I shant be making a donation if the article is not corrected. ~2026-33392-32 (talk) 03:57, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
Far Right
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What is the basis for “far-right” labelling of Reform? Given BBC had to apologise to Reform for referring to it as “far right” in 2024 (numerous sources). ~2026-33315-80 (talk) 20:44, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
- A consensus was reached a while ago, but should probably be reviewed. They’re definitely not “far-right”. KittyKinkle02 (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2026 (UTC)
- 1. Sources describe it as being right-wing to far-right.
- 2. It follows consistent labeling of right-wing Populist parties. ~2026-33494-22 (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- Which politically unbiased & contemporaneous sources do list them as "far-right"? I only see them called that on Wikipedia and by left-wing journalists.
- Simply listing all "right-wing populism" as "far right" seems wrong. Can you show me where consensus was reached for this?
- KittyKinkle02 (talk) 10:13, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
- See the frequently asked questions section of this article. ~2026-33494-22 (talk) 18:52, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
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