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At the start of the Easy Java Simulations article the {{Notability}} box is still present. On this talk page the 'proposed deletion box', dating from november 2008 is still present

I propose to remove those two boxes.

As evidence that EJS is actively taken up as an educational tool I present the following links.

• Todd Timberlake Berry College, Georgia
  • http://facultyweb.berry.edu/ttimberlake/copernican/ A set of computer simulations and curricular materials for teaching the history of astronomy from Ancient Greece to Isaac Newton.
  • http://www.compadre.org/osp/features/newsdetail.cfm?id=229 Workshop, Using Computer Simulations to Explore the History of Astronomy, European Science Education Research Association Event Aug 31, 2009 - Sep 04, 2009 in Istanbul, Turkey
• http://tp.lc.ehu.es/jma/mechanics.html A collection of EJS simulations, created by JM Aguirregabiria, for a course in Mechanics and Waves.
• http://rt210.sl.psu.edu/simulations/ Pennsylvania State University, Collection of EJS applets, some of them adapted by Michael R. Gallis.
• http://www.physicsworkshops.org/PWEN/PWEN1.pdf Physics Workshop Electronic newsletter, March 2007, page 1-3, Karim Diff, Easy Java Simulation 101.5
• http://www.euclides.dia.uned.es/simulab-pfp/curso_online/cursoOnline_content_overview.htm Virtual-lab implementation with EJS
• http://www.jem-thematic.net/files_private/VirtualLab.pdf Dr A. Costa and M. Delgado, UNED Spain: Presentation, 30 slides, introducing EJS.

--Cleonis | Talk 07:56, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Additional references added July 28th:

• http://www.phy.ntnu.edu.tw/ntnujava/index.php Repository of simulations, including EJS simulations. Hosted by National Taiwan Normal University. Maintained by Fu-Kwun Hwang, who has also created numerous EJS simulations.
• http://imej.wfu.edu/articles/2003/2/01/index.asp Paper by F. Esquembre and Fu-Kwun Hwang, published in: Interactive Multimedia Electronic Journal of Computer Enhanced learning, which was published from 1999 to 2006 by Wake Forest University, North Carolina.
• http://www.editlib.org/?fuseaction=Reader.NoAccess&paper_id=13879&CFID=302385&CFTOKEN=98696674 Paper by F. Esquembre and Fu-Kwun Hwang, published in Education & Technology information library
• http://www.control.lth.se/documents/2008/far+08ifac.pdf Paper written by F. Esquembre and researchers of Lund University, Sweeden

I've removed the notability tag on the basis of the links above -- I would encourage working them into the article itself as well. The "Old prod" template should stay here, since it informs editors about the history of the page, in particular letting them know that the proposed deletion process has already been exhausted. -David Schaich ^Talk/_Cont 16:09, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder now whether there are guidelines as to the purpose of the References section of a wikipedia article.

The first reference is the article about EJS that was published in The Physics Teacher. The knife cuts both ways there: for the Wikipedia visitors it is a good source of information about EJS, and to other Wikipedia editors it is evidence of EJS {{Notability}}. I'm happy with that.

The thing is, I feel the other links just serve the purpose of giving evidence of notability. I doubt it's in the interest of Wikipedia visitors to be offered those links.

The EJS website, hosted by the University of Murcia, Spain, is the best source of information about EJS. Now, the author's self-published site does not constitude evidence of notability, of course.

So there's a tension there. My purpose in editing the EJS article has been and will be to inform the Wikipedia visitor. Establishing notability of EJS to other Wikipedia editors wasn't on my mind. Being faced with the necessity to present evidence of notability I went to the Talk page. --Cleonis | Talk 19:27, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]